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Bikes rolls 40 hrs while warming up on the stand. 2nd lap of practice bike will not shift past 2nd. The 1-2 shift is fine. Any suggestions? Fuel pump first now this..
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2018 KTM 450SXF FE
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Should have listened to me in the last thread.! Hopefully it's just something in the shift mechanism. I would be looking for metal in the oil and filter.
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Drop 3 teeth off rear sprocket and leave it in 2nd. That engines so usable u dont need anything else.
Sorry no worthwhile input. Maybe shifter adjusted too high and is hitting.
Sorry no worthwhile input. Maybe shifter adjusted too high and is hitting.
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Hopefully just the shift mechanism and not a bent shift fork
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Not sure if this will help any but I was able to get it to go up to 4th a couple of times but had to really jiggle the shifter to get it to go 2 to 3 to 4 and same going back from 4 to 3 to 2. Again the 1-2 shift is fine.
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2018 KTM 450SXF FE
2016 YZ250F 2008 CRF450R
2015 YZ250F 2008 CRF250R
2012 YZ125 2001 CR250R
2010 YZ250 2012 CRF150R
2009 YZ125 2010 KX109.5
SSR Motorsports Dealer
TAGMX Suspension & Graphics! www.tagmxsuspension.comhttps://www.liquidskinzdesign.com/
2016 YZ250F 2008 CRF450R
2015 YZ250F 2008 CRF250R
2012 YZ125 2001 CR250R
2010 YZ250 2012 CRF150R
2009 YZ125 2010 KX109.5
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12/8/2018 11:24 AM
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Had this happen on a few KTMs. The part #11 Sliding plate is bypassing the shifting drum. The tension spring could be broke #9 to cause this or the teeth are dull and not getting a good connection/hook on the drum. If your spring is ok, you can take a small round file and sharpen the teeth on the sliding plate.
The file you use needs to mach the diameter of the round shifting points on the drum. Like 3/16
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Geez you have some bad luck, the Yamaha 250 issues and this bike.
Hoping you find a solution!
Hoping you find a solution!
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Lynch wrote:
Geez you have some bad luck, the Yamaha 250 issues and this bike.
Hoping you find a solution!
Hoping you find a solution!
I appreciate it. My son rides a lot. The yamaha was simple once we figured out it was a the TPS, put another 140+ hours on it problem free! Matter fact it has been completely rebuilt with a carrillo rod and a JE piston!
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2018 KTM 450SXF FE
2016 YZ250F 2008 CRF450R
2015 YZ250F 2008 CRF250R
2012 YZ125 2001 CR250R
2010 YZ250 2012 CRF150R
2009 YZ125 2010 KX109.5
SSR Motorsports Dealer
TAGMX Suspension & Graphics! www.tagmxsuspension.comhttps://www.liquidskinzdesign.com/
2016 YZ250F 2008 CRF450R
2015 YZ250F 2008 CRF250R
2012 YZ125 2001 CR250R
2010 YZ250 2012 CRF150R
2009 YZ125 2010 KX109.5
SSR Motorsports Dealer
TAGMX Suspension & Graphics! www.tagmxsuspension.comhttps://www.liquidskinzdesign.com/
Here a possibility
photo credit to Cudby, sketch credit to brimx153
photo credit to Cudby, sketch credit to brimx153
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Here a possibility
photo credit to Cudby, sketch credit to brimx153
photo credit to Cudby, sketch credit to brimx153
You are a brave man posting that without permission.
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Markee wrote:
Had this happen on a few KTMs. The part #11 Sliding plate is bypassing the shifting drum. The tension spring could be broke #9 to cause this or the teeth are dull and not getting a good connection/hook on the drum. If your spring is ok, you can take a small round file and sharpen the teeth on the sliding plate.
The file you use needs to mach the diameter of the round shifting points on the drum. Like 3/16
Had this happen on a few KTMs. The part #11 Sliding plate is bypassing the shifting drum. The tension spring could be broke #9 to cause this or the teeth are dull and not getting a good connection/hook on the drum. If your spring is ok, you can take a small round file and sharpen the teeth on the sliding plate.
The file you use needs to mach the diameter of the round shifting points on the drum. Like 3/16
I had hard shifting in a KTM 250 2steoke.. Stretching by hand part n 9 (the spring) solved the issue. Don't know if it helps or could be related
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Markee wrote:
Had this happen on a few KTMs. The part #11 Sliding plate is bypassing the shifting drum. The tension spring could be broke #9 to cause this or the teeth are dull and not getting a good connection/hook on the drum. If your spring is ok, you can take a small round file and sharpen the teeth on the sliding plate.
The file you use needs to mach the diameter of the round shifting points on the drum. Like 3/16
Had this happen on a few KTMs. The part #11 Sliding plate is bypassing the shifting drum. The tension spring could be broke #9 to cause this or the teeth are dull and not getting a good connection/hook on the drum. If your spring is ok, you can take a small round file and sharpen the teeth on the sliding plate.
The file you use needs to mach the diameter of the round shifting points on the drum. Like 3/16
Also check that bolts numbered 18 and 21 (not shown in this part of the shift mechanism parts page) have not come loose. Clutch basket has to come out to do though. Have seen that before where someone skipped the loctite application.
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Markee wrote:
Had this happen on a few KTMs. The part #11 Sliding plate is bypassing the shifting drum. The tension spring could be broke #9 to cause this or the teeth are dull and not getting a good connection/hook on the drum. If your spring is ok, you can take a small round file and sharpen the teeth on the sliding plate.
The file you use needs to mach the diameter of the round shifting points on the drum. Like 3/16
Had this happen on a few KTMs. The part #11 Sliding plate is bypassing the shifting drum. The tension spring could be broke #9 to cause this or the teeth are dull and not getting a good connection/hook on the drum. If your spring is ok, you can take a small round file and sharpen the teeth on the sliding plate.
The file you use needs to mach the diameter of the round shifting points on the drum. Like 3/16
Underground wrote:
Also check that bolts numbered 18 and 21 (not shown in this part of the shift mechanism parts page) have not come loose. Clutch basket has to come out to do though. Have seen that before where someone skipped the loctite application.
That sounds like what the dealer told me to check. I called them and ask if they had any suggestions. They told me to pull the basket out and check a bolt but lost me after that. I will be honest, I do not do anything inside a motor lol, so I will have one of our techs look at this next week. I appreciate the input guys, I sure hope it is as simple as this!!!
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2018 KTM 450SXF FE
2016 YZ250F 2008 CRF450R
2015 YZ250F 2008 CRF250R
2012 YZ125 2001 CR250R
2010 YZ250 2012 CRF150R
2009 YZ125 2010 KX109.5
SSR Motorsports Dealer
TAGMX Suspension & Graphics! www.tagmxsuspension.comhttps://www.liquidskinzdesign.com/
2016 YZ250F 2008 CRF450R
2015 YZ250F 2008 CRF250R
2012 YZ125 2001 CR250R
2010 YZ250 2012 CRF150R
2009 YZ125 2010 KX109.5
SSR Motorsports Dealer
TAGMX Suspension & Graphics! www.tagmxsuspension.comhttps://www.liquidskinzdesign.com/
Good news good news, it was part #18 was loose! A little lock tite and a ordering a new gasket to be safe! Thanks so much for the help Vital!!!
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2018 KTM 450SXF FE
2016 YZ250F 2008 CRF450R
2015 YZ250F 2008 CRF250R
2012 YZ125 2001 CR250R
2010 YZ250 2012 CRF150R
2009 YZ125 2010 KX109.5
SSR Motorsports Dealer
TAGMX Suspension & Graphics! www.tagmxsuspension.comhttps://www.liquidskinzdesign.com/
2016 YZ250F 2008 CRF450R
2015 YZ250F 2008 CRF250R
2012 YZ125 2001 CR250R
2010 YZ250 2012 CRF150R
2009 YZ125 2010 KX109.5
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sgrimmxdad wrote:
Good news good news, it was part #18 was loose! A little lock tite and a ordering a new gasket to be safe! Thanks so much for the help Vital!!!
Good deal
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sgrimmxdad wrote:
Good news good news, it was part #18 was loose! A little lock tite and a ordering a new gasket to be safe! Thanks so much for the help Vital!!!
Same exact problem with a 2018 450 XCF
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They're buying new factories with the savings on loctite
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sgrimmxdad wrote:
Good news good news, it was part #18 was loose! A little lock tite and a ordering a new gasket to be safe! Thanks so much for the help Vital!!!
DaveJ wrote:
Same exact problem with a 2018 450 XCF
Have you fixed it yet? Wondering if the same problem!
Ktm Duke 200 Gear Shifting Problems
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2018 KTM 450SXF FE
2016 YZ250F 2008 CRF450R
2015 YZ250F 2008 CRF250R
2012 YZ125 2001 CR250R
2010 YZ250 2012 CRF150R
2009 YZ125 2010 KX109.5
SSR Motorsports Dealer
TAGMX Suspension & Graphics! www.tagmxsuspension.comhttps://www.liquidskinzdesign.com/
2016 YZ250F 2008 CRF450R
2015 YZ250F 2008 CRF250R
2012 YZ125 2001 CR250R
2010 YZ250 2012 CRF150R
2009 YZ125 2010 KX109.5
SSR Motorsports Dealer
TAGMX Suspension & Graphics! www.tagmxsuspension.comhttps://www.liquidskinzdesign.com/
sgrimmxdad wrote:
Good news good news, it was part #18 was loose! A little lock tite and a ordering a new gasket to be safe! Thanks so much for the help Vital!!!
DaveJ wrote:
Same exact problem with a 2018 450 XCF
sgrimmxdad wrote:
Have you fixed it yet? Wondering if the same problem!
It sounds like it is exactly the same problem.
The bike would not shift beyond 2nd.
Pulled the cover off and that bolt was very loose.
Pulled off the clutch basket and the water pump drive gear. Tightened the bolt. Put the rest of it back together. Bike shifts perfectly now.
I put a chemical lock on the bolt just in case.
I'm glad you posted what you did because it helps to confirm that perhaps KTM skipped a step or didn't have their tool calibrated.
I'm glad I found your post. Sounds like KTM had some issues here.
The bike would not shift beyond 2nd.
Pulled the cover off and that bolt was very loose.
Pulled off the clutch basket and the water pump drive gear. Tightened the bolt. Put the rest of it back together. Bike shifts perfectly now.
I put a chemical lock on the bolt just in case.
I'm glad you posted what you did because it helps to confirm that perhaps KTM skipped a step or didn't have their tool calibrated.
I'm glad I found your post. Sounds like KTM had some issues here.
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DaveJ wrote:
Same exact problem with a 2018 450 XCF
sgrimmxdad wrote:
Have you fixed it yet? Wondering if the same problem!
DaveJ wrote:
It sounds like it is exactly the same problem.
The bike would not shift beyond 2nd.
Pulled the cover off and that bolt was very loose.
Pulled off the clutch basket and the water pump drive gear. Tightened the bolt. Put the rest of it back together. Bike shifts perfectly now.
I put a chemical lock on the bolt just in case.
I'm glad you posted what you did because it helps to confirm that perhaps KTM skipped a step or didn't have their tool calibrated.
I'm glad I found your post. Sounds like KTM had some issues here.
The bike would not shift beyond 2nd.
Pulled the cover off and that bolt was very loose.
Pulled off the clutch basket and the water pump drive gear. Tightened the bolt. Put the rest of it back together. Bike shifts perfectly now.
I put a chemical lock on the bolt just in case.
I'm glad you posted what you did because it helps to confirm that perhaps KTM skipped a step or didn't have their tool calibrated.
I'm glad I found your post. Sounds like KTM had some issues here.
I also had this happen earlier this year on my 17 450sxf. That #18 bolt cocks the shift star when loose and binds everything up.
Unfortunately for me I couldn’t find an answer online at the time so I pulled the motor and tore it all apart thinking it was an idler gear on the transmission, only to find it was just that little bolt for the shift star.
I’ve been able to help a couple people since, so it’s nice to come across these threads and chime in to save people a headache.
Unfortunately for me I couldn’t find an answer online at the time so I pulled the motor and tore it all apart thinking it was an idler gear on the transmission, only to find it was just that little bolt for the shift star.
I’ve been able to help a couple people since, so it’s nice to come across these threads and chime in to save people a headache.
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Seen that happen to a 2018 Husky 450.
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daboza27 wrote:
I also had this happen earlier this year on my 17 450sxf. That #18 bolt cocks the shift star when loose and binds everything up.
Unfortunately for me I couldn’t find an answer online at the time so I pulled the motor and tore it all apart thinking it was an idler gear on the transmission, only to find it was just that little bolt for the shift star.
I’ve been able to help a couple people since, so it’s nice to come across these threads and chime in to save people a headache.
Unfortunately for me I couldn’t find an answer online at the time so I pulled the motor and tore it all apart thinking it was an idler gear on the transmission, only to find it was just that little bolt for the shift star.
I’ve been able to help a couple people since, so it’s nice to come across these threads and chime in to save people a headache.
I was very close to doing the same. I am thankful that I was pointed in the direction of checking this first. This needs to be added to the KTM known issues. Keep you relays and fuel filters close
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2018 KTM 450SXF FE
2016 YZ250F 2008 CRF450R
2015 YZ250F 2008 CRF250R
2012 YZ125 2001 CR250R
2010 YZ250 2012 CRF150R
2009 YZ125 2010 KX109.5
SSR Motorsports Dealer
TAGMX Suspension & Graphics! www.tagmxsuspension.comhttps://www.liquidskinzdesign.com/
2016 YZ250F 2008 CRF450R
2015 YZ250F 2008 CRF250R
2012 YZ125 2001 CR250R
2010 YZ250 2012 CRF150R
2009 YZ125 2010 KX109.5
SSR Motorsports Dealer
TAGMX Suspension & Graphics! www.tagmxsuspension.comhttps://www.liquidskinzdesign.com/
sgrimmxdad wrote:
Have you fixed it yet? Wondering if the same problem!
DaveJ wrote:
It sounds like it is exactly the same problem.
The bike would not shift beyond 2nd.
Pulled the cover off and that bolt was very loose.
Pulled off the clutch basket and the water pump drive gear. Tightened the bolt. Put the rest of it back together. Bike shifts perfectly now.
I put a chemical lock on the bolt just in case.
I'm glad you posted what you did because it helps to confirm that perhaps KTM skipped a step or didn't have their tool calibrated.
I'm glad I found your post. Sounds like KTM had some issues here.
The bike would not shift beyond 2nd.
Pulled the cover off and that bolt was very loose.
Pulled off the clutch basket and the water pump drive gear. Tightened the bolt. Put the rest of it back together. Bike shifts perfectly now.
I put a chemical lock on the bolt just in case.
I'm glad you posted what you did because it helps to confirm that perhaps KTM skipped a step or didn't have their tool calibrated.
I'm glad I found your post. Sounds like KTM had some issues here.
daboza27 wrote:
I also had this happen earlier this year on my 17 450sxf. That #18 bolt cocks the shift star when loose and binds everything up.
Unfortunately for me I couldn’t find an answer online at the time so I pulled the motor and tore it all apart thinking it was an idler gear on the transmission, only to find it was just that little bolt for the shift star.
I’ve been able to help a couple people since, so it’s nice to come across these threads and chime in to save people a headache.
Unfortunately for me I couldn’t find an answer online at the time so I pulled the motor and tore it all apart thinking it was an idler gear on the transmission, only to find it was just that little bolt for the shift star.
I’ve been able to help a couple people since, so it’s nice to come across these threads and chime in to save people a headache.
I was thinking same thing..shift drum or gear fork.
I just got lucky by pulling the right clutch case hoping that I could sneak a peak into the tranny as to pre-order parts..and there was the loose bolt. I was able to spin it with my fingers. Sneaked a wrench in and tightened it then everything worked perfectly..then tore it down and fix it right.
Thanks for sharing!!
I just got lucky by pulling the right clutch case hoping that I could sneak a peak into the tranny as to pre-order parts..and there was the loose bolt. I was able to spin it with my fingers. Sneaked a wrench in and tightened it then everything worked perfectly..then tore it down and fix it right.
Thanks for sharing!!
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My buddies 2011 250SX will shift fine while using the clutch into first and second but if he wants to get to third he has to float shift it without the clutch. He has had a new shift drum put in and still no luck. Any ideas and help would be great. Thanks!
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8/24/2013 9:57 PM
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Edited Date/Time:8/24/2013 9:59 PM
Not sure what you mean about float shifting, but it sounds like something in the shift forks parts have fallen out or have a bad gear
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yesterday i was floating in the pool with some Shift shorts on and a beer in my hand
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pete24 wrote:
yesterday i was floating in the pool with some Shift shorts on and a beer in my hand
Damn. Sounds good but I was racing.
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xnationalwrench wrote:
Not sure what you mean about float shifting, but it sounds like something in the shift forks parts have fallen out or have a bad gear
Float shifting or shifting without the clutch.
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do this and if it doesnt work, replace the part they show in the video .. every 2 stroke ktm has this problem, if replace it every 15-20h
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ruy7lxSf5CA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ruy7lxSf5CA
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I'm definitely trying this little trick today because the last 2 races & I kept getting hung in 3rd & it just wouldn't shift into 4th.
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have seen this no a lot on the SX 250 here, this is how we fix the problem. You will need to replace these parts
54834015000 - Shift locating drum
54634008044 - Sliding Plate Complete
56534013100 - Tensioning Spring
Any questions please ask thanks !!
54834015000 - Shift locating drum
54634008044 - Sliding Plate Complete
56534013100 - Tensioning Spring
Any questions please ask thanks !!
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eins4eins wrote:
do this and if it doesnt work, replace the part they show in the video .. every 2 stroke ktm has this problem, if replace it every 15-20h
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ruy7lxSf5CA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ruy7lxSf5CA
Had Ron (the Bushman) Bushey do this to my 13 250SX last wk & I raced the 21st Annual Vet/Vintage race at Englishtown last weekend & my bike shifted better than it ever has. I honestly never had a problem & I don't think I've ever even missed a shift on my bike until 2 wks ago when it started to hang in 3rd gear. I got 3 out of 4 holeshots too which was awesome & my bike shifted flawlessly all day. I do love hearing from the 450 guys just how fast my bike is :-)
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Good to hear you got it fixed, we just put together a SX 250 for a customer here and he is in love with it. He came off a SXF 450 and says he will never go back to the four stroke again !!!
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6/24/2015 10:07 AM
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Edited Date/Time:6/24/2015 10:08 AM
So recently just started having this issue on my 2013 250sx. Did this really work for you guys. I am also having a problem with it hitting a false neutral. Does it fix that too? A rebuild shop(very highly reputable) wants 2g to completely go through the bottom end of the bike, which it is due for, but 2g on a bike that is only worth maybe $4500.. 'fart noise'
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Works like a champ
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Kryan5 wrote:
So recently just started having this issue on my 2013 250sx. Did this really work for you guys. I am also having a problem with it hitting a false neutral. Does it fix that too? A rebuild shop(very highly reputable) wants 2g to completely go through the bottom end of the bike, which it is due for, but 2g on a bike that is only worth maybe $4500.. 'fart noise'
try this video that the guy posted above.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ruy7lxSf5CA
mine didnt want to shift under high revs and this completely solved it. shifts awesome now.
there *could* be something wrong with a broken part in yours. but this is free and only takes a couple hrs. its a bit of a pain to get to, having to pull the clutch basket to get access, but after that it slides right out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ruy7lxSf5CA
mine didnt want to shift under high revs and this completely solved it. shifts awesome now.
there *could* be something wrong with a broken part in yours. but this is free and only takes a couple hrs. its a bit of a pain to get to, having to pull the clutch basket to get access, but after that it slides right out.
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-'09 KX500AF
- '14 KTM300SX
This is during a bench test. Does this have anything to do with my false neutral issue. Seems like the slider isn't shiting up enough to completely 'finish' the shift. Any opinions?
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It does work Kryan, I had the exact same problem on my 2013 a few months back. I ended up replacing the shift star, sliding plate, spring, roller and the roller tensioning spring. It set me back around 50 euros and it has shifted flawlessly since then.
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How much filing on a clutch basket is to much. Feeling like this bike is clapped out and needs a lot of **** replaced, but I plan on replacing it soon and tranny work, new crank, new clutch basket/hub, discs just seems like a ridiculous amount of money to put in it consider the bike is only worth $4500. My predicament is, is that i don't want a 2016 and big changes are coming for the 2017. So basically i have to have this bike last until this time next year..
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That basket looks really worn!
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Kryan, I believe we are in the exact same spot. I have the '13 also and it feels clapped out. I have been having a rediculous amount of small annoying problems these last few months like leaking gaskets, brake hose failure, clutch pressure cap breaking (how does this even happen),..
I was incredibly disappointed when I saw that the 250 didn't get the upgrades for '16 but the longer I think about it, the less I feel bad. I'm going to buy a 2016 SX 250, ride it for 2 years, and then buy a 2018. I have had really bad experiences with first year models of a bike platform, so by its second year people will hopefully have figured out the quirks and jetting and so on.
I was incredibly disappointed when I saw that the 250 didn't get the upgrades for '16 but the longer I think about it, the less I feel bad. I'm going to buy a 2016 SX 250, ride it for 2 years, and then buy a 2018. I have had really bad experiences with first year models of a bike platform, so by its second year people will hopefully have figured out the quirks and jetting and so on.
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Fearo wrote:
Kryan, I believe we are in the exact same spot. I have the '13 also and it feels clapped out. I have been having a rediculous amount of small annoying problems these last few months like leaking gaskets, brake hose failure, clutch pressure cap breaking (how does this even happen),..
I was incredibly disappointed when I saw that the 250 didn't get the upgrades for '16 but the longer I think about it, the less I feel bad. I'm going to buy a 2016 SX 250, ride it for 2 years, and then buy a 2018. I have had really bad experiences with first year models of a bike platform, so by its second year people will hopefully have figured out the quirks and jetting and so on.
I was incredibly disappointed when I saw that the 250 didn't get the upgrades for '16 but the longer I think about it, the less I feel bad. I'm going to buy a 2016 SX 250, ride it for 2 years, and then buy a 2018. I have had really bad experiences with first year models of a bike platform, so by its second year people will hopefully have figured out the quirks and jetting and so on.
Thats not a bad idea. The biggest thing that has me stuck is the amount of money I have wrapped up in my suspension and I can't put it on the 2016. Also, I feel very 'eeehhh' about the 4cs.
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In that case I would definitely consider buying a '16. I don't know the prices of US parts, but there is no way I would put in a new crank, clutch basket, etc on my 13 at this point, even though they are all worn. Maybe you could get a good deal on a leftover '15 somewhere? I considered doing that over here but they are sold out. It's really weird, for the last 2 months, you can not buy an SX250 around here. The '15s are gone, and the '16s aren't out yet.
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8/1/2017 10:40 AM
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Brand new SXF450 7 hours and i have never had 4th or 5th gear unless i let off the gas, clutch it and hit zero bumps under no load. I will be doing this and hoping for the best. My bike is unraceable as is
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OK I tried the filing trick and I have 4th 70% of the time but still have issues grabbing 5th under load. I didnt pay close enough attention to the video and just kind of filed a sharper notch in the plate with square file. I can see I needed to use a round file and make a hook to match the bars profile in the shift drum. I have a 1/4' round file but it looks too big I'm going to get a smaller round file another $16 gasket, drain my oil, pull my clutch, remove my shift shaft and try it again. Why does KTM let these leave the factory like this? and how come all my KTM friends have never heard of this? I'm wishing I never sold my 06 CRF!! I have zero confidence in a brand new 2017 KTM 450. I used to go to the line on a 10 year old bike pretty much KNOWING I was going to get the holeshot with my bigbore 490 - Not anymore, now I come out mid pack (if I'm lucky) and get swallowed up while I fight my tranny. The bummer is i can't take it to the dealer and complain because if you test ride it on the street it works. Only under load do I not have 4th or 5th. WTF!!!
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I actually had to take my brand new KTM back to he dealer for this, (dealer to remain unnamed at this point) they have been very good to me so far! (never had a dealer work on my bike in my life - I've always done all my own work - Honda probably would've laughed at me) it now has 10 hours on it and it's 5 mos out of warranty, so far my dealer has been very cooperative about getting me to call KTM US, and trying to fix it - they have never heard of the problem, and really can't test it at the shop without a dragstrip - they haven't said it's going to cost me - but they haven't said it won't, we'll see what happens next week. I'm so bummed a 2017 KTM I have 10K wrapped up in, has me missing my 2006 CRF - Thats NOT RIGHT! ..... to be continued
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OK I tried the filing trick and I have 4th 70% of the time but still have issues grabbing 5th under load. I didnt pay close enough attention to the video and just kind of filed a sharper notch in the plate with square file. I can see I needed to use a round file and make a hook to match the bars profile in the shift drum. I have a 1/4' round file but it looks too big I'm going to get a smaller round file another $16 gasket, drain my oil, pull my clutch, remove my shift shaft and try it again. Why does KTM let these leave the factory like this? and how come all my KTM friends have never heard of this? I'm wishing I never sold my 06 CRF!! I have zero confidence in a brand new 2017 KTM 450. I used to go to the line on a 10 year old bike pretty much KNOWING I was going to get the holeshot with my bigbore 490 - Not anymore, now I come out mid pack (if I'm lucky) and get swallowed up while I fight my tranny. The bummer is i can't take it to the dealer and complain because if you test ride it on the street it works. Only under load do I not have 4th or 5th. WTF!!!
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I actually had to take my brand new KTM back to he dealer for this, (dealer to remain unnamed at this point) they have been very good to me so far! (never had a dealer work on my bike in my life - I've always done all my own work - Honda probably would've laughed at me) it now has 10 hours on it and it's 5 mos out of warranty, so far my dealer has been very cooperative about getting me to call KTM US, and trying to fix it - they have never heard of the problem, and really can't test it at the shop without a dragstrip - they haven't said it's going to cost me - but they haven't said it won't, we'll see what happens next week. I'm so bummed a 2017 KTM I have 10K wrapped up in, has me missing my 2006 CRF - Thats NOT RIGHT! ..... to be continued
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I recently picked up a leftover (new) 2018 350 SX-F. I've only ridden it for about 6.5 hours, but so far it's been an amazing bike. I'm normally a track guy, but my brother rides single track, so I hit some trails with him yesterday. It was pretty tight stuff, staying mainly in 1st and 2nd and really working the clutch. Toward the end of the day I started to hit neutral almost every time while trying to shift from 1st to 2nd AND 2nd to 1st. Initially, I thought I was just getting tired/lazy, but after a few unwanted clicks into neutral I really started to focus on shifting. I realized that it was nearly impossible to shift between 1st/2nd without hitting it.. I mean I was really kicking the hell out of it and it was grabbing neutral like it was another gear. The shifter is in a good position, so it's not that. It's really a feeling a of locking into neutral and not wanting to slide into the next gear. Clunky even. I changed my oil at 2.5 hours, so I'm at 4 hours since the last change. In bikes past, I've always changed it around this interval, but my KTM manual says I can go 10hrs between changes which seems insane to me. I'm running the recommended 10w-50 Motorex. I'm going to change it tonight in hopes that it helps, but could anything else be causing this issue?
Thanks in advance,
Austin
Thanks in advance,
Austin
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was the bike under load when you were shifting?
shifting was no clutch and still on the gas not pulling clutch in all the way
shifting was no clutch and still on the gas not pulling clutch in all the way
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was the bike under load when you were shifting?
shifting was no clutch and still on the gas not pulling clutch in all the way
shifting was no clutch and still on the gas not pulling clutch in all the way
When it became an apparent issue, I would let off the throttle, pull in the clutch, and try to shift.. still the shifter would be stubborn and not click past neutral. However, when I would stumble into neutral, I could easily shift out of it and into 1st or 2nd. It was very much like neutral was positioned like 4th gear, as if you were shifting between 3rd and 5th.
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Shifter loose? It's been known to happen. The splines are tapered so if it loosens up it may not be making full contact. Also not sure what size boot, but I know on my KTMs going to a little bit longer shifter was night and day better for size 12s.
They're sometimes sensitive to oil type but sounds like youve got that covered.
They're sometimes sensitive to oil type but sounds like youve got that covered.
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This has been posted before, apparently the indentation on the shift drum isn't deep enough so it can clip out and hit neutral. Pretty sure there's an updated part. I'm sure someone will chime in with the part number.
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Id be taking it back to your dealer to be repaired. KTM is usually pretty good about that.
Like others said, something in your shifting mechanism is messed up.
Like others said, something in your shifting mechanism is messed up.
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My 18 husky 350 does it. Ruts often pop it into neutral. Probably a good reason to gear it down and use third
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@kb228 @hcallz5 Thanks guys. I just called my dealer and they said they will call KTM and get back to me by tomorrow. They said KTM is typically very good, and if there's a known issue, they'll get it fixed. I'll let you know how I make out..
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austin_bo wrote:
@kb228 @hcallz5 Thanks guys. I just called my dealer and they said they will call KTM and get back to me by tomorrow. They said KTM is typically very good, and if there's a known issue, they'll get it fixed. I'll let you know how I make out..
Let us know how you go as I’m having the same prob.
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Hey guys - just reporting back. KTM responded and said that there isn't a known issue as I've described. Honestly, after several hours of research and a better understanding of sequential motorcycle transmissions, I can only swallow my pride and suspect user error. Unless there is some sort of abnormality/deformity in the shift drum, there really isn't another answer. Oddly enough, I took the bike out yesterday and noticed that at cruising speed (track like riding) and under load, shifting is fairly smooth with no hiccups into neutral. It's only at low speed and on tight stuff that I find the issue more apparent. Just means less single track and more track time which I prefer anyway. I'll keep you posted if anything changes, but for now I'm going to deal with it and maybe re-learn how to shift
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I’ve knocked my bike into neutral going into tight ruts in second gear a few times on this bike. And short shifting it doesn’t like to engage easy.
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The shift knob is a terrible design on these bikes. It should be a lot smaller diameter, this requires much more total ankle articulation for both directions and less clearance making it harder to shift intentionally and easier to accidentally be bumping into it.
Anyone have a bolt on knob that is half the dia?
Anyone have a bolt on knob that is half the dia?
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Im having the same problem. 18 350 sxf. Looking forward to hear KTM reply
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I recently picked up a leftover (new) 2018 350 SX-F. I've only ridden it for about 6.5 hours, but so far it's been an amazing bike. I'm normally a track guy, but my brother rides single track, so I hit some trails with him yesterday. It was pretty tight stuff, staying mainly in 1st and 2nd and really working the clutch. Toward the end of the day I started to hit neutral almost every time while trying to shift from 1st to 2nd AND 2nd to 1st. Initially, I thought I was just getting tired/lazy, but after a few unwanted clicks into neutral I really started to focus on shifting. I realized that it was nearly impossible to shift between 1st/2nd without hitting it.. I mean I was really kicking the hell out of it and it was grabbing neutral like it was another gear. The shifter is in a good position, so it's not that. It's really a feeling a of locking into neutral and not wanting to slide into the next gear. Clunky even. I changed my oil at 2.5 hours, so I'm at 4 hours since the last change. In bikes past, I've always changed it around this interval, but my KTM manual says I can go 10hrs between changes which seems insane to me. I'm running the recommended 10w-50 Motorex. I'm going to change it tonight in hopes that it helps, but could anything else be causing this issue?
Thanks in advance,
Austin
Thanks in advance,
Austin
I have a 17 husky fc 350 i bought new, it has been going into neutral usually in corners . Happens one to 2 times a lap. I can put it in 2nd and not touch it and it will hit neutral. Took it back to dealership, they rode it on pavement and said its fine. Most ktm and husky owners i have talked to have tranny issues but somehow there are no know issues according to manufacturer. How to remove rainmeter skin. This amazes me the bike has 30 hours and has been doing this since new. I had a 16 ktm sxf 350 that wouldnt go into neutral while running. Sold it and shortly after the new owner said it got stuck in 2nd. Cost him over $500 to fix it. He sold it. Ive been watching supercross every week and blake bagget and marvin musquin have both hit neutral and crashed. Yet theres no known issues.
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Dealership same thing no known issues. Crazy, I'm having trouble with the clutch not engaging not wanting to shift and getting stuck without fully engaging now. Im hoping low fluid but if not im thinking there's an expensive problem. I only have 13 hours on the bike now.
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Agree mine does it occasionally with no lever input. I’ve learnt when it’s happened by the no engine braking
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Makes ya think why they went to pankl. 17 350sxf. Hard shift from 1st to 2nd
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Just got home from a 2 day in the desert. When the bike is warm now I hit neutral all the time now. You have to pay attention every shift up or down from first to second. Kinda puts you in a terrible spot when your in technical sections. Im over it gonna take it in and have KTM pull it apart and see what's going on. I mentioned the indention on the shift drum as an option and they still claim they have never heard of an issue. Guess this is going to be on my Dime Kinda sucks just turned 18 hours. I'll let you guys know what they find out.
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Just got home from a 2 day in the desert. When the bike is warm now I hit neutral all the time now. You have to pay attention every shift up or down from first to second. Kinda puts you in a terrible spot when your in technical sections. Im over it gonna take it in and have KTM pull it apart and see what's going on. I mentioned the indention on the shift drum as an option and they still claim they have never heard of an issue. Guess this is going to be on my Dime Kinda sucks just turned 18 hours. I'll let you guys know what they find out.
Show them this thread. You need to very precise 1-2, I swear it pops out under braking bumps sometimes too at low revs
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Ok here we go. I brought my bike into my local shop (who has been great) they test rode my bike for a while and as luck would have it they couldn't find a problem. They thought it might be in the clutch lever it self contributing to the problem. So they sent me out to give it a shot with a couple different levers to try. Well yesterday was a hard technical ride with the boys so we were all pushing to go fast, first race of the season is 2 weeks away and were trying to get dialed. I was chasing on a rocky downhill with a tight right uphill I dumped from 3rd to 1rst in apex dropped the clutch pinned it for uphill! Neutral ! I wadded. This is the first time this has resulted in a crash. As a result bent subframe, pipe has looked better and a broken toe. My guys at the shop are going to pull the motor apart this week. Im pretty bummed I've got a lot of money in this bike and little confidence. I will keep you posted.
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Shawn_Sinclair wrote:
Ok here we go. I brought my bike into my local shop (who has been great) they test rode my bike for a while and as luck would have it they couldn't find a problem. They thought it might be in the clutch lever it self contributing to the problem. So they sent me out to give it a shot with a couple different levers to try. Well yesterday was a hard technical ride with the boys so we were all pushing to go fast, first race of the season is 2 weeks away and were trying to get dialed. I was chasing on a rocky downhill with a tight right uphill I dumped from 3rd to 1rst in apex dropped the clutch pinned it for uphill! Neutral ! I wadded. This is the first time this has resulted in a crash. As a result bent subframe, pipe has looked better and a broken toe. My guys at the shop are going to pull the motor apart this week. Im pretty bummed I've got a lot of money in this bike and little confidence. I will keep you posted.
Watch.. jmc motorsports we get our own supercross track on you tube. Even the factory supercross teams have issues eith their transmissions. This guy revved his bike while in neutral and it popped into gear on its own throwing him off the back. Jmc actually modifies their shift star so it wont go into nuetral. I know this because ive talked to one if their mechanics. Everyone is having issues but ktm husky won't admit it.
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I dropped my bike off Tuesday and there still awaiting a response from KTM. I need to be riding Saturday and I'm not getting good feelings about this.
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KTM had them change a roller bearing on the shaft I guess. They said it was super stiff and is supposed to be real free so that might be the case. Hopefully I'll find out tomorrow.
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18 150SX and I hit neutral if I am not focusing while shifting betwen 1st and 2nd. No problems with my other two bikes.
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Shawn_Sinclair wrote:
KTM had them change a roller bearing on the shaft I guess. They said it was super stiff and is supposed to be real free so that might be the case. Hopefully I'll find out tomorrow.
Let’s see if it’s the problem
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Shawn_Sinclair wrote:
KTM had them change a roller bearing on the shaft I guess. They said it was super stiff and is supposed to be real free so that might be the case. Hopefully I'll find out tomorrow.
Keep us posted on this. If you have luck with it I'm taking my bike in to have the same done.
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Shifting is sick now didn't hit neutral at all. In fact its quite difficult to find neutral but im completely ok with that. Im so stoked with the performance yesterday. Its worth asking your dealer about because it worked for me!
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Shawn_Sinclair wrote:
Shifting is sick now didn't hit neutral at all. In fact its quite difficult to find neutral but im completely ok with that. Im so stoked with the performance yesterday. Its worth asking your dealer about because it worked for me!
Did they charge you and did they have to split the cases or go in through clutch cover?
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Shawn_Sinclair wrote:
Shifting is sick now didn't hit neutral at all. In fact its quite difficult to find neutral but im completely ok with that. Im so stoked with the performance yesterday. Its worth asking your dealer about because it worked for me!
Can you confirm exactly what they changed?
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